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== Volunteer Slack? == Under the "Less is more" subsection, it says "go to the Volunteer Slack". <br>What is a "Volunteer Slack"??? <br>[[User:Pyrrhus|Pyrrhus]] ([[User talk:Pyrrhus|talk]]) 21:31, 14 March 2019 (EDT) :[[User:Pyrrhus|Pyrrhus]], Slack is a technology that's basically a very fancy chatroom service; you can make a Slack for a specific group and then it offers the possibility of having different, easily searchable threads for different topics. I take it there is an MEpedia Slack, although I'm not part of it and don't know the Slack's name or who to ask for an invite, so eventually we should probably try to find out how users who wish to can join (personally I don't love using it; I find it overstimulating and would rather discuss with editors here, but it's good to offer different options as different people will undoubtedly have a variety of different preferences and accessibility requirements.) Meanwhile if you want, you can check out the tech at Slack.com though; the basic service is free, you only pay for upgrades (like storage if your group has more than 10,000 messages, etc.)<br>Poking around, I do see an MEAction Volunteers Slack (meaction.slack.com) and you can sign into it if you have an meaction.net email address. But I don't know if MEpedia has a separate one or if MEpedia is a "channel" in that one; also don't know if you have to get an meaction.net email or if possibly existing members (or especially, moderators) can add send invites to others to join the Slack, if that is the right one. So many questions! Sorry I'm probably giving more questions than answers here! [[User:Canele|Canele]] ([[User talk:Canele|talk]]) 19:29, 19 March 2019 (EDT) ::Thank you so much [[User:Canele|Canele]]! That is very very informative. I prefer discussing things here on MEpedia too, but we desperately need to enable communication between contributors any way we can. I'll ask around to see how I could join. Now, whom do I ask? ''That'' would be a good question for the Slack group! ;) ::[[User:Pyrrhus|Pyrrhus]] ([[User talk:Pyrrhus|talk]]) 21:12, 19 March 2019 (EDT) :::The best bet as far as I know would be [[User:JenB]], or maybe she can suggest who best to go to with MEpedia questions if it's someone else? (I'd also love to ask about either adding to the [[MediaWiki_talk:Captcha-addurl-whitelist|CAPTCHA whitelist]] or getting set up to take of that myself, which I'd be happy to do, just don't know who best to ask for the necessary permissions.) Thanks for any guidance! [[User:Canele|Canele]] ([[User talk:Canele|talk]]) 22:13, 19 March 2019 (EDT) ::::I’m now in the Slack group, so if there’s anything you want me to bring up, let me know. The CAPTCHA whitelist has already been brought up. Is the only thing needed there is admin privs to edit the file? Or is the CAPTCHA whitelist more complicated than that? ::::[[User:Pyrrhus|Pyrrhus]] ([[User talk:Pyrrhus|talk]]) 16:02, 29 March 2019 (EDT) ::::::Oh, thanks so much [[User:Pyrrhus|Pyrrhus]]. Yeah as best I can tell, it's just admin permissions that's required to edit that page and then appropriate URLs only need be pasted in. As Njt has pointed out, the best would be if we could set up a user right group that automatically turned off the CAPTCHA for trusted users (discussed further here: [[MediaWiki_talk:Captcha-addurl-whitelist#Regex_for_Whitelist]]), but setting that up is beyond my personal technological capacities, so until someone who is capable has the time to take up that project, I think granting someone who is around more (you, me, whomever) permission to add to the white list would go a long way to improving accessibility. (My personal opinion would be that whomever is delegated that authority should only whitelist the most rock-solid science and reference sites. Other kinds of sites are important to include on MEpedia but I've seen a fair number of places where they're not used in accordance with [[MEpedia:Science guidelines]] and I think it maybe wise to leave the speed bump up at least for now.) [[User:Canele|Canele]] ([[User talk:Canele|talk]]) 19:01, 29 March 2019 (EDT) :::::[[User:Canele]] If you wanted to join Slack's MEpedia group you can email the info meaction.net email address, on contact [[User:JaimeS]]. Some discussion goes on in the Facebook group (linked to from the MEAction website) but not much. I have recently discovered that auto confirm by email address may remove the Captcha, fixing the email feature has been flagged up since there's a new issue with it. [[User:Notjusttired|notjusttired]] ([[User talk:Notjusttired|talk]]) 18:42, 29 March 2019 (EDT) ::::::Thanks [[User:Notjusttired|Njt]] for the head's up about how to join the Slack. I may do so later; I find the tech a little overstimulating so I like discussing here where things don't move quite as rapidly. Meanwhile though, that sure would be great if eventually there were an automatic user right to disable the CAPTCHA. I suppose one thing I would say is, my ideal world would disable the CAPTCHA after a user has made a certain number of manual edits (500?) rather than just after confirming their email address, because it's so easy for spammers to dummy up an email address, confirm it, and then go to town. On a site about science, I do worry about manipulation by folks with a financial interest. But, we'll wait to see what's possible, I suppose? [[User:Canele|Canele]] ([[User talk:Canele|talk]]) 19:01, 29 March 2019 (EDT) :::::::That's a good suggestion on number of edits - could be put in the Dev queue. I would set it much lower - say 50 edits - the Captcha is easy to lookup for people so I presume it's mostly there to stop robots / automated edits. With automated edits I'm not sure how easy it is for robots to do the email confirm or if any have tried. Njt [[User:Notjusttired|notjusttired]] ([[User talk:Notjusttired|talk]]) 17:14, 30 March 2019 (EDT) ::::::::Good idea, I'll add it to the dev queue! You're probably right that 50 would do the job for now. I know Wikipedia deals with folks that for-profit, not-necessarily-reliable sites are paying to go in and manually add many links to that site; I was thinking the CAPTCHA would be at least a speed bump for that. But no real reason to have it be so high until/unless that becomes an issue here. I assume once that feature is in place, it wouldn't be so hard to adjust the specific number. [[User:Canele|Canele]] ([[User talk:Canele|talk]]) 18:21, 30 March 2019 (EDT)
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