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== Deleting "When should I cite?" == Any objections to deleting the "When should I cite?" instruction? I feel like it's already (and more accurately) covered in the preceding "If you can't cite it, you can't say it" instruction. Using ''Citing References in Scientific Research Papers'' makes sense for those doing primary research since original arguments/findings don't need to be cited--but here (I think) we want everything added to be referenced so that readers should be able to go check to see what verifies a given claim, rather than having to trust whichever random editor who made the change was actually correct. Right?<br>Thoughts? (Sorry, tired, this might not be clear.) [[User:Canele|Canele]] ([[User talk:Canele|talk]]) 00:38, 11 April 2019 (EDT) :I’m not sure I understand, but I’ll tag [[User:JaimeS]] because she’s the Science Editor and she can give a definitive yes or no. As a general rule, I think we want to drill into people that everything needs to cited, even if we repeat our selves. Hope this helps. :[[User:Pyrrhus|Pyrrhus]] ([[User talk:Pyrrhus|talk]]) 12:02, 11 April 2019 (EDT) ::Let me take another, more caffeinated crack at explaining (grin)! I'm worried that by specifying we must cite everything we get from other sources, ''Citing References...'' inadvertently implies some things don't need to be cited. Which is true for people publishing research or review studies--you don't need to cite ideas original to you--but MEpedia isn't (as I understand it) the place for folks to publish their own novel hypotheses: only things they can cite to another source. ::The other thing is that as UI/UX matter, the longer instructions get, the less likely folks are to read any of them. So repeating may have the opposite of the desired effect, unfortunately. [[User:Canele|Canele]] ([[User talk:Canele|talk]]) 13:31, 11 April 2019 (EDT) :::Generally speaking, the rule of thumb is not to cite things that are considered common knowledge. Therefore, we would not have to cite every sentence of an article, or even every complete thought. I'll check the original article, though, with an eye towards this kind of misinterpretation... ok, I read through. I think that section contains important information regarding that you must cite not just direct quotes, but anyplace where you get an idea, even if you've paraphrased it. You'd be surprised how many people think you don't have to cite unless you've directly quoted someone's work! I'm ok with folding that in to another section if you think it's confusing.[[User:JaimeS|JaimeS]] ::::Ahh ok, thanks [[User:JaimeS|JaimeS]], now I understand what it's intended to convey and def agree makes sense to hit the "cite whether it's paraphrased or quoted" point. I'll see if I can make it sit with the "cite everything [unless common knowledge]"--maybe we can use the quote from that article in a footnote, for sake of concision/hitting the high notes as clearly as possible. [[User:Canele|Canele]] ([[User talk:Canele|talk]]) 19:30, 11 April 2019 (EDT) :::::Great, [[User:Canele|Canele]]! Thanks for that disambiguation, good looking out. [[User:JaimeS|JaimeS]] ::::::RE: "Common knowledge" - I think this should be made clear that it's general knowledge or common knowledge but not what an editor might consider common knowledge about ME/CFS. Many consider "always caused by a virus" as common knowledge for instance, or consider ME or ME/CFS as a "fatigue" condition. I may consider starting a page on Facts vs Myths to cover some of these. [[User:Notjusttired|notjusttired]] ([[User talk:Notjusttired|talk]]) 07:17, 15 April 2019 (EDT) :::::::I did also think it might be good to give an example of common knowledge that it's acceptable not to cite, to help people gauge, but I had a hard time coming up with a good one. "Humans generally have two kidneys"? Better suggestions welcome! [[User:Canele|Canele]] ([[User talk:Canele|talk]]) 14:43, 15 April 2019 (EDT) ::::::::I actually really like the following quotation for citations: "Common knowledge... is widely known, undisputed and easily verified, and it generally cannot be attributed to a specific person or paper". It's a really accurate definition that would stop someone from saying "ME is caused by a virus" because they know it is, in fact, disputed, not easily verified, and is not widely known. Here is where that quote came from, and it may be a good source in general, because it also has examples of common knowledge and questions to ask oneself before we can tell whether something is considered common knowledge: https://www.scribbr.com/plagiarism/common-knowledge/. I think we should define common knowledge as per above, and then make the explicit comment that you can find examples of common knowledge and guidance as to what constitutes common knowledge by clicking here (with link to above).[[User:JaimeS|JaimeS]] :::::::::: +1 to adding a definition of Common Knowledge to the text. The definition quoted by [[User:JamieS|JamieS]] on this talk thread was helpful in clarifying. [[User:EscapeTheFog|EscapeTheFog]] ([[User talk:EscapeTheFog|talk]]) 01:37, June 13, 2019 (EDT) :Has this issue been resolved? Do we need to update anything on the page? :[[User:Pyrrhus|Pyrrhus]] ([[User talk:Pyrrhus|talk]]) 13:27, October 24, 2019 (EDT) ===Re: Deleting "When should I cite?" -- ~~~~=== : Replace this text with your reply
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