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==Leave me a message == Could you explain what you are doing to the [[fatty acid]] and the [[antibody]] pages? You are removing important links that are there to remind us that we need to create these pages. Red links help us to figure out which important pages need to be created, such as the [[fatty acid]] and the [[antibody]] pages. By removing important red links, we lose track of which pages need to be created. All your changes will need to be reverted when the pages are created. If you are looking to simplify things, then we can get rid of the categories, rather than the main pages for the categories. In this case, we would combine all pages in the category into the main page for the category, so that we have one page, rather than a whole category. Please explain. <br>[[User:Pyrrhus|Pyrrhus]] ([[User talk:Pyrrhus|talk]]) 00:29, October 11, 2019 (EDT) :I already discussed this with [[User:Kmdenmark]] as I think you've already seen [[Talk:Single_nucleotide_polymorphism here]] - others you tagged earlier did not respond. Those pages won't have enough content to be worthwhile do terms are now added to the glossary. They have been stub pages for many years rather than wanted pages - I have looked for content and there is simply too little to justify a page. Fatty acids is a category that does not need a summary article in my view, plus there are articles for very long chain fatty acids, short chain fatty acids, etc. Please think carefully about making mass reverts without checking. [[User:Pyrrhus]] ~[[User:Notjusttired|Njt]] ([[User talk:Notjusttired|talk]]) 09:26, October 11, 2019 (EDT) Messages I've seen: {{collapse top}} Hi Njt! I just wanted to briefly clarify what I said on Kmdenmark's talk page. I'll use bullet points because I find it easier to organize my thoughts: * There are three different language settings in MediaWiki: ** The wiki's default language setting (specified in LocalSettings.php) ** The page's content language setting (reflected by the language code suffix such as "/de") ** The reader's preferred language setting (specified in preferences, for now) * The visible screen in MediaWiki is divided into user interface and content. ** The user interface should always match the reader's preferred language setting. ** The content should always match the page's content language setting. *Now, template messages mostly count as user interface, not as content, so templates mostly follow the reader's preferred language, not the page's content language. This is why templates use <nowiki>{{int:}} or {{int:lang}}</nowiki>, since these parser functions follow the reader's preferred language, not the page's content language. *However, when you're editing content inside a regular page, your content should follow the page's content language. In this case, you should use <nowiki>{{PAGELANGUAGE}}, not {{int:}}</nowiki>. Of course, since each language gets their own page via a suffix like "/de", you probably won't need to use either. *Example: [[Template:Cleanup]] displays a message about the page at the top of the page. This is best considered part of the user interface, not part of the page itself. Therefore, this template will follow the reader's preferred language and use <nowiki>{{int:}}, not {{PAGELANGUAGE}}</nowiki>. *Example: [[Glossary/de]] is a content page. Therefore anything added to this page should follow the page's content language, not the reader's preferred language. To put it another way, the content of a page ending in "/de" should be in German, no matter what the reader's preferred language is. *More complicated example: [[Template:Citation needed]] displays a message embedded inside the content of a page. Does this make it part of the user interface or part of the page content itself? If we consider it part of the user interface, then it should use <nowiki>{{int:lang}}</nowiki>. However, if we consider it part of the page content then it should use <nowiki>{{PAGELANGUAGE}} instead of {{int:lang}}</nowiki>. This is kind of a grey area, but the more I think about it, it should probably be considered part of the content, not part of the user interface. Therefore, we should consider switching it from <nowiki>{{int:lang}} to {{PAGELANGUAGE}}</nowiki>. *NOTE: <nowiki>{{PAGELANGUAGE}}</nowiki> does not yet work, as it needs a developer change in order to make sure that it returns the same language as the "/de" suffix. Hope this is clear! <br>[[User:Pyrrhus|Pyrrhus]] ([[User talk:Pyrrhus|talk]]) 00:04, September 7, 2019 (EDT) :Thanks for the great explanation. Does PAGELANGUAGE use system messages? I guess having a main page in different languages would probably be too much to maintain? Although if it was possible to create them using system messages it might be simple since the page doesn't change often. Do you know if the word Portal is translated in the user interface? I think it might not be. A more recent developer tasks list would be appreciated on Slack since I am not sure if we have requested certain things or not. [[User:Notjusttired|notjusttired]] ([[User talk:Notjusttired|talk]]) 09:23, September 7, 2019 (EDT) ::PAGELANGUAGE is just a global system variable that returns the page content language of the current page. I don’t think having the main page in different languages will be such a big deal, it’s short and it doesn’t change much. Plus, you don’t need admin privileges to create [[Welcome to MEpedia/de]], like you would need in order to create a system message. But more importantly, if someone chooses to view the German version of the main page using the interlanguage links in the sidebar, then they should expect to see the page in German, not in whatever their reader preferred language setting might be at the time, which is why system messages are to be avoided in a content page. This will all probably become much clearer when the developer changes are made and we can test things out for ourselves. I’ll send you a link on Slack to the “DRAFT Developer Suggestions” as it currently stands. Hope this helps. ::[[User:Pyrrhus|Pyrrhus]] ([[User talk:Pyrrhus|talk]]) 20:41, September 7, 2019 (EDT) :::Great! My thinking with system messages was to use without '''int:''', eg <nowiki >MediaWiki:mymessage/{{PAGELANGUAGE}}</nowiki > [[User:Notjusttired|notjusttired]] ([[User talk:Notjusttired|talk]]) 15:51, September 8, 2019 (EDT) {{collapse bottom}}
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