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==Default sort== Is there now an agreement to sort categories with people by forename rather than surname first? I am not aware of it this has been agreed. If it is not agreed then I am against this. If is a universal standard to sort by surname, and if this category is changed then surely all people categories should be - including Researchers, Clinicians, American Researchers, Norwegian clinicians etc. If it is agreed then I believe it would be possible to use a tool to bulk change the relevant pages or simply edit something on each category page to change the display order. [[User:Notjusttired|notjusttired]] ([[User talk:Notjusttired|talk]]) 18:27, September 4, 2019 (EDT) :Without defaultsort all people are automatically sorted by first name. You reverted me without discussion. What gives? [[User:Guido den Broeder|Guido den Broeder]] ([[User talk:Guido den Broeder|talk]]) 18:53, September 4, 2019 (EDT) ::I reverted the changes because they hadn't been discussed, and will affect many posts here. Plus if we go forward with sorting then it should be possible to change all pages at once - if some have already been done this won't be possible. It may also be possible to find a magic word or feature that only needs adding to the category and not to each page to do the sorting. Any sorting that does need adding to individual pages would need adding to the article outlines too. I am not sure why sorting was added if they are already sorted that way? [[User:Notjusttired|notjusttired]] ([[User talk:Notjusttired|talk]]) 12:35, September 5, 2019 (EDT) :::This can't be done by a bot because there are different rules to each name. Also, no discussion is needed. Sorting by surname is the norm. That's why it's called defaultsort. [[User:Guido den Broeder|Guido den Broeder]] ([[User talk:Guido den Broeder|talk]]) 12:41, September 5, 2019 (EDT) ::::I didn't have a bot in mind, adding a custom template (or code) that uses <nowiki>{{PAGENAME}}</nowiki > and splits it into first and last name would allow the same change on all pages. And it's a lot of pages to do. Otherwise we end up with a mix of sorting by first name and by surname until all pages are done. [defaultsort https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Magic_words/en] lets you sort by anything you like, for example just the first letter of a surname or some information not in the name. When it's left out, like it has been up to now, it sorts alphabetically by page name meaning first name then any middle name, then surname in MEpedia. ::::A few names have 3 words and I am not sure if the second word is a middle name or part of a surname - Asian names, but possibly some Spanish ones too. What is your view on whether researcher and other name categories should be sorted by surname first? [[User:Notjusttired|notjusttired]] ([[User talk:Notjusttired|talk]]) 18:20, September 5, 2019 (EDT) :::::You don't have to create a template or anything. Defaultsort was created for this task. English has rules on how to sort names and we should simply follow those. You don't need to reinvent the wheel. It could all have been completed already had you not started reverting my edits. [[User:Guido den Broeder|Guido den Broeder]] ([[User talk:Guido den Broeder|talk]]) 19:33, September 5, 2019 (EDT) ::::::Can you answer my questions about what we do over people with 3 names, and whether you want this to apply to all researchers, clinicians and patients or just patients / people? I just looked - roughly 150 patients, over 200 clinicians, over 200 researchers. [[User:Notjusttired|notjusttired]] ([[User talk:Notjusttired|talk]]) 17:49, September 6, 2019 (EDT) :::::::Already answered. We follow the English-language rules for sorting names. Which means all people, and also that there is not a simple single sorting rule that applies in all cases. If you don't know these language rules, then it's best to leave it to editors that do. [[User:Guido den Broeder|Guido den Broeder]] ([[User talk:Guido den Broeder|talk]]) 18:16, September 6, 2019 (EDT)
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